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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 15:59:30 GMT -8
Today was test day. I popped over to Costco and poured 2 onces of high quality pure acetone in my fuel tank and filled it up with gas (11 Gal tank). I set the trip odometer to zero. Well 54 miles south of here is a WW11 B-17 setting beside the freeway on display, for all to see. I went down to it and returned to Costco and refilled my tank. 108 miles took 3.24 gal.........exactly the amount it took without the acetone. I've read many accounts bragging about gettin great increases with this.........but it didn't work here! Has any of you and had any experiences with this method? Any comments welcomed. Ron
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Nov 6, 2008 20:59:07 GMT -8
Today was test day. I popped over to Costco and poured 2 onces of high quality pure acetone in my fuel tank and filled it up with gas (11 Gal tank). I set the trip odometer to zero. Well 54 miles south of here is a WW11 B-17 setting beside the freeway on display, for all to see. I went down to it and returned to Costco and refilled my tank. 108 miles took 3.24 gal.........exactly the amount it took without the acetone. I've read many accounts bragging about gettin great increases with this.........but it didn't work here! Has any of you and had any experiences with this method? Any comments welcomed. Ron 2 ounce in a tank isn't really enough. But Acetone Can Increase Mileage in SOME Cars. But It's Not anything I would do on my vehicle.These product can also Burn you Valves. Ether is even Hotter and Alcohol also will work. All these Can work, "Especially on cars that are Not Properly Tuned up".
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Post by rmeyn on Nov 6, 2008 21:05:53 GMT -8
Gotta stick my 2 cents here. I would think acetone would work much like methyl alcohol (HEAT) in that it has an affinity for water. Would definitely help in winter to prevent ice up. I don't think I would put large quantities of either in my car. rmeyn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 4:48:11 GMT -8
Well I think my little 4 cyl engine is probably chucking out the absolute best it can do without adding a secondary fuel system, like "HHO". I do agree "HHO" only works if you use an Efie so you can turn the incoming gas % mixture. However before I do that, I'm going work on the "Air fuel LED Monitor" I have. It has a warning device incorperated to let you know if the fuel mixture goes to lean. Like maybe your H-gen quits in the middle of high HP usage, goodbye engine. I'm going to try to pull a signal out of that warning device and use it to instantly add/lower voltage to the sensor output. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks. Ron P.S. That was probably my first and last adventure in Acetone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 16:04:02 GMT -8
I don't know anything about fuel additives but I'd sure like to see that B-17!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 8:31:31 GMT -8
Acetone in your fuel can degrade the cemented joints in plastic fuel line connections in addition to degrading the plastic lines.
If you read the MSDS sheets on most fuel additives, they are a blend of Naphta, Benzene, and Alcohol. You basically get cleaning solvent at an inflated price.
What I never understood is why people add alcohol to their cars during winter when all they have to do is use E10 fuel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 7:56:37 GMT -8
I've read that if *you* add alcohol to your fuel tank you'll save money on gasoline. However that assumes you get that alcohol free! If you buy it premixed at the "gas pump" or pay bucks for it you reduce you're effective miles per gallon, and wind up paying more per mile. Your best bet is if you can find a "service station?" that pumps gas with NO alcohol, even if you pay more for the gas, you'll save money cause you'll get much better milage. I've also read that while it's true you get better smog control per gallon, you get worse per mile. Did that make any since?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 19:05:53 GMT -8
If you add a small amount of alcohol or water to your gas you will increase the octane by slowing the burn of the gasoline making it more even and complete. The E10 was intended to substitute part of the fuel to use less oil product. Unurtunately the ethanol is less caloforic than gasoline so less energy per unit mass is produced. Thus the lower mileage.
MSDS B-12 Toluene 108-88-3 60-70% Acetone 67-64-1 20-30% Hexanes 110-54-3 5-10% Methanol 67-56-1 <5% Exxsol D 110 or LPA-210 or Conosol 215 64742-47-8 <5%
Seafoam 1 PALE OIL 40-60% 2 NAPHTHA 20 25-35% 3 ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 10-20%
Techron Distillates, hydrotreated light < 50 %weight Stoddard solvent < 35 %weight Solvent naphtha, light aromatic 5 - 10 %weight Benzene, 1 - 5 %weight Xylene 0.1 - 0.5 %weight
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 5:29:47 GMT -8
Hi frankp. Thanks for the posting. Looks like these are additives for various brands of pump gas, at least I recognise the Techron as being Chevron. Does any brand in your opinion more closely resemble the original product than others? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 14:09:49 GMT -8
Here is MSDS for gasoline. As you can see those expensive additives you buy are already in teh gasoline in suffcient quantities. As for Techron, The Techron of 10 years ago which was an excellent combustion chamber cleaner is nothing but glorified dry cleaning fluid. If you need a combustion chamber cleaner use the Amsoil or Regane brands since they contain significant amounts of polyetheramine (PEA) which was originally known as Techron. It's really expensive so I guess that is why Chevron doesn't include it anymore in Techron. I don't know if they are still manufacturing it but I do know that BASF (Germany) is the largest supplier in the world. GASOLINE MSDS Gasoline (86290-81-5) 100 Benzene (71-43-2) 0.1 - 4.9 (0.1 - 1.3 reformulated gasoline) n-Butane (106-97-8) < 10 Ethyl Alcohol (Ethanol) (64-17-5) 0 - 10 Ethyl benzene (100-41-4) < 3 n-Hexane (110-54-3) 0.5 to 4 Methyl-tertiary butyl ether (MTBE) (1634-04-4) 0 to 15.0 Tertiary-amyl methyl ether (TAME) (994-05-8) 0 to 17.2 Toluene (108-88-3) 1 - 25 1,2,4- Trimethylbenzene (95-63-6) < 6 Xylene, mixed isomers (1330-20-7) 1 - 15 A complex blend of petroleum-derived normal and branched-chain alkane, cycloalkane, alkene, and aromatic hydrocarbons. May contain antioxidant and multifunctional additives. Non-oxygenated Conventional Gasoline and RBOB do not have oxygenates (Ethanol or MTBE and/or TAME). Oxygenated Conventional and Reformulated Gasoline will have oxygenates for octane enhancement or as legally required.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 14:19:03 GMT -8
REGANE MSDS Petroleum distillates (JP5 Jet fuel) 60-70% Polyether amine mixture 30-40%
Amsoil P.I. Performance improvement Concentrate Hydrocarbon solvent………………Confidential………………………44.4 – 53.6%…………………N/E Polyether amine……………………Confidential………………………27.7 – 36.9%…………………N/E Petroleum Naphtha…………………64742-94-5……………………....9 – 4.5%……………….……N/E Substituted Aliphatic amine………Confidential…………………….….9 – 4.5%………….…………N/E Naphthalene…………………………91-20-3……………………………..0.2%…IARC Suspect Carcinogen NTP Carcinogen
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 14:43:08 GMT -8
B-12 that has the acetone corrosive factor to consider, I use it in 16-20 gallons for no more reason than a all around system cleaner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 14:53:51 GMT -8
Franp: Methyl-tertiary butyl ether (MTBE) (1634-04-4) that has been banned from usage for a few years. I have heard that it was 15% of gasoline and it was the substance that provided for most of the combustibility (Octane). Any ways the substitute was said to be in short supply (rationed?) I have suspected that the gas processors on occasion intentionally rotate the ratios and this would explain someone’s intermittent poor gas mileage performance (bad tank of Gas). Any thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 20:23:58 GMT -8
The thing is anytime I contacted a petrochemical company about their fuel or lubricant line I get teh same answer. The information is proprietary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 5:48:00 GMT -8
I'm told the only gasoline you can buy in the "Girl-e-Boy" state that contains NO Ethenol is Chevron. I'm also told Acetone isn't effective with alcohol present. So I'll be retesting soon only this time with Xylene and Diesel added. I'll post when I know anything. I'm also redoing my HHO.....eliminating the bubbler. It seemes HHO cels work far better under a vacuum situation. When you use a bubbler, the cel has to go positive pressure to force the gas through the water in the bubbler (you can't suck a gas through a liquid, you gotta force it through.) More later, Ron.
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