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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 5, 2011 6:36:17 GMT -8
OK, 2 Liters per Minute.
But What is your current draw?
And Car AMP-METERS are Not very Accurate.
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 5, 2011 12:59:04 GMT -8
about the joe cell in the video this is just a video I dit not build it but build one just like that and I am not making cell's to put in a car I build cell's to make pure hydrogen no oxigen the one in the video draws like 10 amp's but than again i use special water that means it is water that is almost pure like H2O there almost no substance in it it has a ppm from 2 and so it becomes very resistant to current to make it work again i also use KOH so that i dont make CO2 like whit baking soda Weither you use Special, Pure water (Distilled Water) or Not, Doesn't make any difference, Contrary to Claims made on the Internet. But you do Need K0H or Na0h to Dramatically Increase Conductivity. As to That Circuit, It is Really Not very useful. Really it's No Better than just Straight DC Electrolysis |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 6, 2011 13:56:54 GMT -8
bout that Distilled Water this is not H2O and H2O is not something you can Bye in a store you have to make it you can get it up to 98 percent pure whit filters and beceause i wanted to do the experiment right I started looking wher I needed to start and you should begin whit clean water H2O there can be no carben parts in it and whit the normel filters like 20 micron your not gone make it I use like 6 times a 0.05micron filter and do it more then 1 time and so youl become something that looks like H2O al this is beceause H2O cunducts no electricity this together with hy voltage like min 2Kv or pulsed circuit makes it posible to get more H out off the same cell Properly Distilled Water is Better than 99.999% H20. But you need to buy it from a Chemical Lab Supplier. Typical Distilled water from a Grocery or Drug Store is Not pure, but still exceeds 99.98% H20. Conduction of Water has Nothing to do with CARBON in the water. It has mostly to do with its PH value. But by the time you add the K0H, any other contaments are just a Very, Very Tiny amount of contament, compared to the K0H and won't make any difference. ------------------------- Obviously you don't understand WHY? A voltage Pulsed at a 25% Duty Cycle is really only 1/4 the current. So the cell is OFF for 75% of the time, allowing it to Cool between pulses. ------------------------- But if you use the Correct Amount of K0H, and the Appropriate Voltage for your cells plates, You will even have MUCH LESS Heating. However, If you add a BLOWER to your Carburator, you will gain the Same amount of Mileage, without adding Hydrogen and/or HH0. |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 7, 2011 5:09:02 GMT -8
One other point I should have commented on:
When you add your K0H to your PURE water, You have Now CONTAMINATED IT with Even MORE chemicals than you had in just the origional Tap Water.
Most Grades of K0H, are Not even 90% pure Potassium Hydroxide.
Lots of Impurities in it.
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 9, 2011 5:38:23 GMT -8
It is NOT Difficult to make JUST HYDROGEN Gas.
Just Tap Water and K0H will make QUITE PURE Hydrogen gas.
1) However you need to Seperate the cells so the Oxygen Doesn't Mix into the Hydrogen.
2) You need to use a lower Current to Prevent excessive Heating and Steam being Formed.
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 9, 2011 15:26:16 GMT -8
well I got this expensive cell from down under and so far it works good it makes hydrogen en oxigen separatly it works with a membrane well 4 off them and I cant find what the material is made off it looks like plastic paper with a million holes and it is very thin so also fragile Even a Ladys Nylon Stocking will work. But Reguardless of the Material, If you Create a Vacuum on the Hydrogen Side to pull the Hydrogen Gas Out, It can also pull the Oxygen through. |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 10, 2011 9:40:15 GMT -8
he thanks did not know that from the vacuum and stockings have to try it beceause then I can make the cell larger for a good price Even a Piece of Paper will work. Like a Coffee Filter Paper or possibly even plain printer paper. Any Paper that will absorb the water, so it becomes conductive, but doesn't get distroyed by the K0H. The Problem is to Hold the Nylon Stocking Material or Paper, Nicely Spaced Between the Positive and Negative Plates. Something like This: Positive Plate--1/8" Gap.--Stocking-- 1/8" Gap--Negative Plate. Possibly Glue the Nylon or Paper to a Thin FRAME on its outer edges. Or edge gaskets on your metal plates. Takes some Expermenting to find the Best working solution. |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 16, 2011 15:10:33 GMT -8
Sorry I Don't have ANY PICTURES, Nor do I know Where you could buy one. I Only build these hh0 things for myself. And Typically I use a "U" Tube type of cell for seperating these gases. Somewhat like this: Attachments:
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 24, 2011 5:23:19 GMT -8
Why the Welding?
Use Stainless Steel Bolts to connect the wires!
And Why Joe Cell?
It Doesn't work any better!
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 25, 2011 7:01:16 GMT -8
a friend works all day with inox and so i got from him 13 inox disks from 8 cm and so i want to connect a wire to every one so that I can make +-+-+-+-+-+-+- You Say 13, But Count Again, Its 14! The Only Wires are One on each End on a Series Cell like that. Small Stainless Steel Bolts/Nuts work Quite Well. Based on 2+ to about 2.5+ volts per cell, The above cell will probably be About a 16 to 20 Volt Cell with the proper amount of K0H. Also depends on plate Spacing. And the Only way it will be EFFICIENT, is if you Prevent Any Current from going Around the Outside of the Plates. Current Flowing Around the Plates, Just Creates HEAT. In Other Words: All Edges of the Plates are Sealed to the Sides of the Container. |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 25, 2011 18:39:03 GMT -8
I have only 13 disks I sealed the wires after welding them to each disk and there comes 2.1 volt over each plate but no neutral plates Sorry, because of you +-+-+-+- symbol, I Counted Wrongly on the plates How Do you Figure there are No Neutral Plates? You only have your battery: directly connected to the Two End plates? Yes or No? IF YES, All the Plates In-Between the two end plates are Neutral Plates. And the Battery Voltage will Divide across them as if it were a "String of Resistors". (Which it actually is!) IF You have a LAND BASED PHONE and Want to discuss this stuff easier, I can phone you in Belgium for FREE.I have been building these HHO cells for about 50 years. |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 26, 2011 5:11:45 GMT -8
Well that is not a JOE Cell than.
And your total current is probably very high.
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 26, 2011 10:39:01 GMT -8
oke not joe cell I just used the name beceause it looks like the one in the video and my current is under 10 amps and 2 volt per plate The way you have it Wired, Its a Parallel Cell. With 10 Amps of current, your only getting about 1 Liter per minute. Do you plan to use thin in a Vehicle, and if so, How do you plan to get the 2 Volts? |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 27, 2011 4:51:01 GMT -8
its for a mobile power unit on gas and i use a circuit that makes from 12 volt 2 volt but very stable Well a Series cell running at 12 volts, would probably be more efficient. Do you have a picture of what you built? |
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Post by Gary Lecomte on Jun 29, 2011 8:21:51 GMT -8
First Picture Doesn't Show?
Second Picture is TOOO LARGE.
You need to RESIZE PICTURES, so we can actually View them!
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